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Aug 2020
It might sound strange but Iโ€™ve have only seen this movie in full recently. I did see parts of it on TV before but never triggered me enough to watch the whole movie. Also I donโ€™t really have a high opinion on James Cameron as a director. I have seen his first movie Piranha II the Spawning like a week ago which was rather dreadful. Ok Iโ€™m quite a fan of the original I must admit. Furthermore I have seen Titanic and Avatar (aka Dancing with the Smurfs) while visually stunning they are rather empty in other aspects IMO. Given its Cameron I had enough reason to believe Terminator was going to be simplistic in story, dialogue and flat characters. That was indeed so in the end but at least The Terminator does have some memorable parts that are cool and not cringe-worthy like many of the scenes in the aforementioned flicks.

Now why would I actually want to watch a movie that I probably not going to like much. Itโ€™s not that I was running out of options nor that I just get gratification out of pissing of the fans. I know some people are rather attached and passionate about their favorite movies but in the end itโ€™s a movie, the creation of someone who you in most cases have no relation with, something abstract and acted on a piece of celluloid. First there was Box indirectly recommending it and even though he did have the feeling I might not like it he would still would like to know why. So itโ€™s for him mostly. When I feel like I can be elaborate on the pros and cons. I myself hate reviews like it was crap or it was a masterpiece, those are useless. That doesnโ€™t trigger any discussion and a board if for discussion. Leave the superficial stuff to platforms like facebook and fansites I say. Secondly I like myself a good challenge. Since the 132 years of movies chalelnge Iโ€™m hosting on the Dutch movie board is still running I had the category โ€œurban areaโ€ where I could fit in The Terminator. And yes who knows maybe after seeing this movie I might actually end up not hating it maybe even liking it. Maybe I would even understand the vague definition of โ€œgeneral consensusโ€ (which some might confuse with general truth I guess) or even become part of the elite which recognizes great movies without needing to explain why because the average rating is the proof it canโ€™t be bad and those who disagree are simply wrong. Actually I do wish that was the case so I wouldnโ€™t be the party pooper so often or the contrarian or the one who thinks itโ€™s cool to bash popular movies because they must be bad or just to piss of the fans. But one canโ€™t help what he likes and dislikes and unfortunately there is considering movies a lot I do not like. Search another hobby like reading or so nah I donโ€™t have the patience. Besides I still think itโ€™s fun hunting for that gem even if I have to go through dozens of movies that eventually became a miss. Ok, anyone who feels bitten in the ass now, donโ€™t this is all meant in good fun.

Now finally onto the movie. I already mentioned most of its weak parts. I donโ€™t really mind the straightforward simplistic story. I mean I have seen the Matrix long ago and I wonder what was the point of this over explaining the whole damn thing while fans are going to watch it for the action anyway. A small cast is handy too there is just 3 characters you need to memorize: Sarah (the target), Kyle (the protector) and the Terminator. The others are merely attributes needed to fill up the world and the story. Talking about fillers even though it takes a while before we get to some longer action scenes there is actually few scenes that would pad or stretch out the movie to an unbearable length. They might have cut about 10 minutes but the intention of the movie is clear pretty quick. Arnie the terminator has one mission: destroy Sarah Connor. Sure there is the dialogue between Sarah and Kyle with flash backs that do slow things down but understandable the viewer wants to know why 2 beings from the future travel to the past. Sarah will eventually become the mother of a future rebellion leader names John Connor. Since he is bearing his motherโ€™s name the identity of the father remains unknown, well at the end you will know that as well or you might even guess it before. I donโ€™t think it was that surprising, future romances are often easy to predict. In the end that makes no sense at all though and IMO virtually impossible but name one movie where time travel actions can be explained with bullet-proof certainty there are no flaws. Itโ€™s a movie, donโ€™t overanalyze Box would say I guess.

This reminds me actually of Back to the Future possible the worst culprit to have time travel actions make sense. Donโ€™t get me wrong I absolutely love the first movie since it was the perfect ending (minus the part Doc eventually taking Marty and his gf to the future to initiate the next installment). While enjoyable in parts those sequels were not needed IMO. I particularly didnโ€™t like Doc eventually remained in the Wild West not to mention the changes they made should have come back in their face.

Back to the Terminator. The Terminator himself or itself since it is just a genderless machine. Kyle refers to the Terminator as a cyborg. I always thought a cyborg was a creature being a mixture of human and mechanical parts. Sure Terminator is a robot with human flesh around it. But is this skin really human flesh, it seemed more synthetic to me. Also he had no emotions, he just did what was instructed: kill Sarah Connor. He didnโ€™t target others unless they would walk in his way. So there isnโ€™t much acting involved in this character. I donโ€™t think Arnie is a good actor but I do think he really shines in action roles. There are exceptions where he actually goes out of this comfort zone like Maggie where he did play the caring father convincingly. Personally I donโ€™t think the Terminator rates as his best action role I think Conan and Commando are better not only because he actually is the good guy and does have a personality I just think they are better action movies. I actually need to revisit Conan. Oh yeah there is Red Sonja too but that one is rather dumb IMO. Anyway to me he is the best action actor.

Now the favorite parts. The โ€˜Illโ€™ be backโ€™ scene isnโ€™t particularly good or memorable but eventually became a popular quote among young people here (and other parts of the world I bet) certainly in that typical English with German accent. It was amusing to link it to images even though in the end I mostly remember the quote and how he says it. Other action scenes are rather standard fare, shooting and car chasing. Itโ€™s the last 40 minutes however that the movie becomes more engaging where we actually get to the parts that could be described as (graphical) horror; Actually the scene where Arnie starts poking in his flesh and eye with a knife was one I did see before. Iโ€™m not a person who is squeamish or disgusted easily but eyes woah such scenes I find painful to watch. Than there is the scene where Arnie shoos away the boy in the truck with a robotic dry โ€˜get outโ€™. I can understand wit that face the boy didnโ€™t hesitate to follow this order. Finally we come to the best parts when the terminator gets burnt and shows his true form: a skeleton robot with glowing red eyes. Yes the movements are wooden and robotic and clumsy (he didnโ€™t have that problem in human flesh) and may I say pretty dated now. However it is the moment where to me he is most threatening especially when only haf a robot he still keeps going and that hand reaching out for Sarahโ€™s throat.

In the end Iโ€™m happy to finally have seen it in full. Does it invite me to see the sequels, not really. I actually did see a sequel in theatre with a friend who does like action movies but other than the beginning where Terminator Arnie asks a male stripper for the guyโ€™s clothes (pretty similar to the beginning of the original movie) which includes funny sunglasses which Arnie tramples I donโ€™t remember anything about it anymore. Besides Onyx already told me the first one is the darkest more horror so letโ€™s leave it at that. I might try the arcade game again (Terminator 2 I think) I remember this being fun playing in the arcade halls with a friend shooting at the terminators.


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Johan_WoW says:
#4, Reply to #1

Aug 2020 *
Well I wouldn't call Arnie funny even though he does sound phony at times. But I had that with the original Evil Dead. I was surprised it was meant to be scary while I thought the intention was comedy. yeah ok the sequels were more comedy but I found the second even more annoying to sit through. I wouldn't even want to bother with the third. I enjoyed the remake a lot though.

Well more action over horror is not really a good motivation for one that loves horror and doesn't really like action movies.


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Johan_WoW says:
#5, Reply to #2

Aug 2020
Well I might give T2 a shot one day but I'm more inclined for a re-watch of Conan the Barbarian which I haven't seen since I was 12 or so. I remember it had some gruesome scenes.


And Avatar I think when it was released the whole 3D was a big hype. I think there were lots of people who went to watch it for that even though they knew the story was going to be crap. The whole 3D TV didn't really take off (fortunately).


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Johan_WoW says:
#6, Reply to #3

Aug 2020
Never seen Avatar? Keep it that way. You would only waste time you invest better in watching a good movie.


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Johan_WoW says:
#10, Reply to #9

Aug 2020
I didn't know Markus hasn't seen any of the Terminator sequels. Given his reaction it seemed he was a fan of the whole series.

I did watch Orca (1977) again today and oh the temptation to start a topic comparing it with Jaws (with Orca as clear winner) was big but hey that might actually be considered provocation again.
Actually I would rather hear from Markus what he thinks of a movie like Blood Feast 2 but I'm afraid he wouldn't even consider watching it.


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Johan_WoW says:
#14, Reply to #11

Aug 2020
Depends how much you are a Jaws fan and can take someone criticizing it? What am I asking I think you can take criticism pretty well.


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Johan_WoW says:
#13, Reply to #12

Aug 2020
Aliens is ok but it can't touch the original which is more of a slow burn and has more tension while Aliens is much more of an action movie. Ok the additions of little Newt and the good robot guy are cool but still Ripley as the main character in the first (and also the next 2 movies) was good enough for me.

Well I'm rather quickly provocative in your eyes, guess you are bit touchy as well? emoticon

Free Willy came much later than Orca so the comparison there is not quite fair IMO. Those family movies already skewed your vision on them. They are not black and white dolphins either but whales (they are both mammals that's true), killer whales if you actually would mess around with them. And also they are more powerful than sharks. If you saw their teeth they don't really look that dolphin like as you make them to be. Jaws also gave people a skewed look on sharks. They aren't active manhunters that has been proven over and over again. In fact I don't think they are scary at all well until they show their teeth that is. Thing is you can make any animal scary applying the right make-up, techniques etc. But die hard Jaws fans will be hard to find any other shark/killer fish movie just as enjoyable. So yeah others don't make a chance. I already feel here that you hesitate to watch "Orka" and expect not to like it that much or maybe not at all. But as long as you didn't watch it you can't make a comparison and I don't find great and white dolphin scary because of Free Willy is void.

And yes I can say Orca is the best of the 2, I have seen both even if in the end that is just my personal opinion and preference. That has nothing to do with a movie being popular or high rated. But I guess we cleared that one up now.

No you don't need to see the original Blood Feast. In fact I would advise you not to. I know some people actually turned of HG Lewis movies after seeing it and not giving any of his other movies. If you enjoy BF 2 you might try his more trashy stuff if not they are not advisable.


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Johan_WoW says:
#18, Reply to #16

Aug 2020 *
I'm afraid that if he hates the original he might not even want to bother with the sequel...

Not sure what he would not get about it? It has plenty of references to other horror flicks, Halloween for example (yeah the Halloween movie which I'm not very fond of). The inclusion of someone like John Waters as a priest, the music. It's all part of the charm which I think Markus will appreciate.


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Johan_WoW says:
#19, Reply to #15

Aug 2020
Strange that orcas are classified as dolphins, they look rather different from the blue finned creatures which I think about when talking about dolphins. Anyway I don't think it does matter when talking about movies which creature is most responsible for human deaths to be scariest, I think that's largely a matter of personal fears. Personally I find piranha the scariest, little but they hunt in group. And perhaps there is too many shark movies that movies about other killer fish/water creatures are a welcome change
Oh and just saying an Orca also has this fin resembling the one of a shark. You might say just an orca or a lovely dolphin but I think I would take no chances and leave the water.

Oh and you don't need blu ray quality for BF2 it's not Avatar or Titanic :)


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Johan_WoW says:
#22, Reply to #20

Aug 2020
I think Bruce was also queer for that Quinn guy or what was his name?


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Johan_WoW says:
#24, Reply to #23

Aug 2020 *
Yeah I know Bruce is the shark. Hm Quint the same name as that filthy gardner from The Turn of the Screw (movie = The Innocents, 1961). That can't be a coincidence.



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