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Nov 2019
Well no I'm not asking whose movies you prefer but I just thought it was cool as title. As a big HG Lewis fanboy I can understand that people see Kaufman and the Troma movies as a follow-up. HGL created the gore and splatter movie while others such as Kaufman continued when HGL left the movie business for a period of about 30 years.
There is indeed a lot of similarities between HGL and Troma flicks:

* low budget
* independent cinema
* no top cast, mostly amateurs
* acting is average at best
* no complex storylines
* not to be taken very seriously

Now one would expect I ought to love Troma movies but I'm yet to find one I actually like. I have heard there was a lot of mutual respect between the 2 directors so I almost feel obliged to find that Troma gem. However if the more popular Troma stuff like Toxic Avenger, Terror Firmer and Poultrygeist were quite a burden to sit through I'm afraid me and the Troma movies don't make a good match. Frustrating as I really want to appreciate all kinds of trash.
It's not that I have many points of critique on the few Troma flicks I have seen. The main thing that puts me of is definitely the humor. I find it infantile, the shit and sex jokes they grow stale on me quickly.

Maybe I understand fans of Halloween (1978) now. Love or hate it, it did indeed set a new standard in the slasher genre and every other movie in this genre afterwards will be compared to it. I understand when people say it has not been matched or bettered.

HG Lewis set a standard in gore and splatter (well it hardly existed before BLood Feast) and I'm yet to find someone who presented it in the enjoyable way the godfather of gore did.


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Box_a_Hair says:
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Nov 2019
I think a big difference between the two is ambition. Lloyd dreams big. Like the imagination is the limit. HG dreams small. Really small. He filmed several films a year, and how he would manage that is by filming on small sets, getting buckets of blood and gore ready, and smearing them all over the movie.

Of course, he had a lot of dull filler dialogue between the regular Joe protagonists. Exposition, but not made interesting. I think it's pretty funny that his movies can change tone from grotesque to mind-numbing within minutes. That's part of their dastardly charm.

Whereas HG used small crews, Lloyd worked with hundreds of people. Large crews and dozens upon dozens of extras and cult followers who want to do whatever they can to be involved in a Troma movie. It's probably both really fun and really overwhelming at the same time. Probably why Lloyd doesn't direct so much these days.

There's a big scale difference between the two. While I love me a good few Troma movies, I'm not sure I could ever make one like Lloyd's movies. They're too zany and ambitious. I'd probably be making stuff more like HG's movies. Those seem very managable to make.


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Box_a_Hair says:
#10, Reply to #4

Nov 2019
I can agree that comedy can be a bit of a burden on horror-esque productions. I feel that blatant comic relief in a horror movie is demeaning to the very name of horror in itself. It isn't best to mix the two unless you've got a unique angle to it. In that sense, I don't think Lloyd ever tried to do a serious horror movie, but he was certainly inspired by some shitty ones.

I suppose a big reason I don't like comedy these days is because it's too meta. I'm more of a Three Stooges/Ren & Stimpy kind of guy. I don't want fast-talking wit. I want random and dumb shit.

Somehow, HGL movies have a good sense of humor about them. I think Blood Feast 2 is one of the funniest movies ever, but the gore is still enough to make you squeamish. I think all the actors did a great job in it, whereas they all take their stupid parts very seriously and don't break character. I think that's a very important aspect of comedy that makes it all work for me, and that's to never be too aware of how shitty your production is. Take everything seriously and it'll be that much funnier. Don't be dumb for dumb's sake, but be dumb because you put in a strong effort to a dumb production. Take your job seriously and entertain us with legitimate dark comedy.



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