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Nov 2019
Well no I'm not asking whose movies you prefer but I just thought it was cool as title. As a big HG Lewis fanboy I can understand that people see Kaufman and the Troma movies as a follow-up. HGL created the gore and splatter movie while others such as Kaufman continued when HGL left the movie business for a period of about 30 years.
There is indeed a lot of similarities between HGL and Troma flicks:

* low budget
* independent cinema
* no top cast, mostly amateurs
* acting is average at best
* no complex storylines
* not to be taken very seriously

Now one would expect I ought to love Troma movies but I'm yet to find one I actually like. I have heard there was a lot of mutual respect between the 2 directors so I almost feel obliged to find that Troma gem. However if the more popular Troma stuff like Toxic Avenger, Terror Firmer and Poultrygeist were quite a burden to sit through I'm afraid me and the Troma movies don't make a good match. Frustrating as I really want to appreciate all kinds of trash.
It's not that I have many points of critique on the few Troma flicks I have seen. The main thing that puts me of is definitely the humor. I find it infantile, the shit and sex jokes they grow stale on me quickly.

Maybe I understand fans of Halloween (1978) now. Love or hate it, it did indeed set a new standard in the slasher genre and every other movie in this genre afterwards will be compared to it. I understand when people say it has not been matched or bettered.

HG Lewis set a standard in gore and splatter (well it hardly existed before BLood Feast) and I'm yet to find someone who presented it in the enjoyable way the godfather of gore did.



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Box_a_Hair says:
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Nov 2019
I think a big difference between the two is ambition. Lloyd dreams big. Like the imagination is the limit. HG dreams small. Really small. He filmed several films a year, and how he would manage that is by filming on small sets, getting buckets of blood and gore ready, and smearing them all over the movie.

Of course, he had a lot of dull filler dialogue between the regular Joe protagonists. Exposition, but not made interesting. I think it's pretty funny that his movies can change tone from grotesque to mind-numbing within minutes. That's part of their dastardly charm.

Whereas HG used small crews, Lloyd worked with hundreds of people. Large crews and dozens upon dozens of extras and cult followers who want to do whatever they can to be involved in a Troma movie. It's probably both really fun and really overwhelming at the same time. Probably why Lloyd doesn't direct so much these days.

There's a big scale difference between the two. While I love me a good few Troma movies, I'm not sure I could ever make one like Lloyd's movies. They're too zany and ambitious. I'd probably be making stuff more like HG's movies. Those seem very managable to make.


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Johan_WoW says:
#4, Reply to #1

Nov 2019
There is a few good points you raise. Tromaville seems like a real community where every layer of society and ages are represented with the difference that everyone is a bit wacko and impossible situations happen. While that sounds in theory more interesting than the small world of HGL, somehow the Troma universe does not click with me.

I have nothing against people who like to be funny or act silly. I have since childhood a good friend who acts silly and those were usually the moments a serious guy like me ran along with the silliness. We need such people. But if someone would be like Jim Carey all the time hardly being serious that would really annoy me as it becomes forced. That's how I experience a movie like Poultrygeist or Terror Firmer, everyone is just silly and gets on my nerves. Gosh I sounds like a sourpuss now emoticon


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Box_a_Hair says:
#10, Reply to #4

Nov 2019
I can agree that comedy can be a bit of a burden on horror-esque productions. I feel that blatant comic relief in a horror movie is demeaning to the very name of horror in itself. It isn't best to mix the two unless you've got a unique angle to it. In that sense, I don't think Lloyd ever tried to do a serious horror movie, but he was certainly inspired by some shitty ones.

I suppose a big reason I don't like comedy these days is because it's too meta. I'm more of a Three Stooges/Ren & Stimpy kind of guy. I don't want fast-talking wit. I want random and dumb shit.

Somehow, HGL movies have a good sense of humor about them. I think Blood Feast 2 is one of the funniest movies ever, but the gore is still enough to make you squeamish. I think all the actors did a great job in it, whereas they all take their stupid parts very seriously and don't break character. I think that's a very important aspect of comedy that makes it all work for me, and that's to never be too aware of how shitty your production is. Take everything seriously and it'll be that much funnier. Don't be dumb for dumb's sake, but be dumb because you put in a strong effort to a dumb production. Take your job seriously and entertain us with legitimate dark comedy.


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Johan_WoW says:
#11, Reply to #10

Nov 2019
You hit the nail on the head in your last paragraph. Blood Feast 2 has the perfect balance between gore and humor. Neither of the 2 is over the top. I would call it a trademark of Lewis that he has people who can stay in character. In The Gruesome Twosome the old lady who remains calm and polite even if a bomb would explode, Jeffrey Allen as mayor Bucknum being an ever enthusiast host, the self-assured Montag the magnificent. Blood Feast has at least 4 memorable characters with Fuad despite his acts remains charming and playful. I love how he is fooling with the cops. Okay this duo is very funny and an enlightment to the comedy capers from Last House on the Left who were only thrown in for the comedy (and not really being funny). Yeah I know that was just like the upbeat country tunes to tone down the cruelty but it ruined the things pretty much for me. Last but not least the bride's mother making Cruella DeVille look nice.


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sfpx says:
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Nov 2019
Toxic Avenger beats the pants off anything by old HG. It's one of the most perfect movies ever made. But I think overall I'll take HG's movies over Kaufman. A lot of them are just annoying. I couldn't even finish Poultrygeist. It's too bad you didn't like Toxic or Terror Firmer. They're the best Troma has to offer.


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Johan_WoW says:
#3, Reply to #2

Nov 2019
Toxic Avenger is basically a comical superhero movie, not really horror. If you like that it's the perfect flick I guess. Both comedy and superhero are not my cup of tea in general. Terror firmer is pretty cheap humor and I find it way too long. HGL made once a movie of almost 2 hours: A Taste of Blood. It's one of the most boring movies ever. Still I plan to revisit it for the Turkey challenge, I'll need some mental preparation for it.


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sfpx says:
#5, Reply to #3

Nov 2019
Calling Toxic Avenger just a "comical superhero movie" is doing it a great disservice, imo. I don't even like superhero movies...


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Johan_WoW says:
#6, Reply to #5

Nov 2019
How would you describe it then?


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sfpx says:
#7, Reply to #6

Nov 2019
Gore comedy exploitation trash perfection?


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Johan_WoW says:
#8, Reply to #7

Nov 2019 *
Gore comedy exploitation trash superhero flick


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sfpx says:
#9, Reply to #8

Nov 2019
I mean you can technically label it that when you get down to the heart of it, but when people think superhero movies Batman and Marvel movies come to mind. Toxic Avenger is more akin to no-budget trash designed to offend the moral majority.


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Johan_WoW says:
#12, Reply to #9

Nov 2019
Yeah I know it's satire, critique on society etc but it didn't entertain me as much as I hoped it would. I'm hard to please when it comes down to humor.


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sfpx says:
#13, Reply to #12

Nov 2019
Maybe give it another shot someday? It's seriously one of the most entertaining movies ever. Not a minute wasted on boring filler or scenes of padding. It's non stop, wall to wall violence, nudity, and all sorts of un-PC shit happening.

I don't really like Kaufman's new films with the ultra juvenile humor. It's too goofy for me. But in 1984 he had the balance right.


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Johan_WoW says:
#14, Reply to #13

Nov 2019 *
I have the feeling I might have seen a version that seriously toned down the gore and nudity as I hardly remember there was much of that in it. In that case yeah I should see a uncut version and re-evaluate.
I guess in this case it would help. As for Terror Firmer I did see the uncut version for sure. While the nudity was ok I really dislike that kind of humor. It seems to go on forever. Still it wasn't as unbearable as Poultrygeist.


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sfpx says:
#15, Reply to #14

Nov 2019
Did you see the kid on the bicycle get his head splattered like a crushed watermelon all over the road? Then the girls get out and take pictures. If you saw all that it was uncut.


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Tromafreak says:
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Jan 2020
One difference between the two is HGL saw it all as a means to make money and nothing else. while Troma is obviously Lloyd's life, not to mention his life's work. Not just his own films. Keeping that company alive, as well as the spirit of exploitation, seems important to the goofy old bastard. Or maybe he just does a good job of portraying himself that way. Who knows?

I got burnt out on them both some time ago. Lloyd long before Hersch.


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Johan_WoW says:
#18, Reply to #16

Jan 2020
Well I still love HGL even though I know you are spot on about him seeing making movies a means of making profit and not because movies were his passion. Otherwise he would not have retired after only 12-13 years in the business. Low costs, not too many big names anything to keep it as cheap as possible. He is proud of Two thousand Maniacs and I think rightly so. He is also proud of A Taste of Blood but I found it odd that he seemed unaware of how little love that movie gets from his die hard fans or did he like to ignore that?

Again he will always be one of my faves I guess. But there is others I adore: William Castle, Roger Corman, Stuart Gordon, Mario Bava.


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OnyxHades says:
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Jan 2020
I haven't really watched that many HG Lewis movies. Most of the ones I have seen have been since Troma and I have been together. I like them, but need to see more.


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Johan_WoW says:
#19, Reply to #17

Jan 2020
Which are the ones you have seen and how would you rate them? Just curious which I could recommend ;)


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OnyxHades says:
#20, Reply to #19

Jan 2020
I'll look through my list and see. I can't remember the titles of a couple.



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