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Sep 2021
Here's a slew of similarities between the two.

Both films are tech noirs that came out in 1984 within a couple weeks of each other and are set in Los Angeles. They feature rugged male protagonists from dystopian futures who go back in time from the month of July to stop a bizarre threat from altering the future. While in the past, they go to punk clubs and fall in love with women who will affect their own lineage and existence. In the end, neither of these men return to their respective futures.

Then both franchises got a quasi continuation in 1988 with the Trancer's City of Lost Angels short and Terminator's emergence in Top Comics.

Big deal, right? Well, the sequels to each film both came out in 1991 within a month of each other and feature a returning lead actress who is essentially written out of the franchise after the second entry. Both sequels have our protagonists break a woman out of a mental institution run by a guy trying to further his own career.

In Trancers 3, Jack Deth is sent to 2005. In Terminator 3, the T-850 is sent to 2004. Both films feature military compounds in the process of creating the very threat each series is about.

By the third entries and beyond, the directors of the first two entries of each respective franchise left and had very little if any involvement in the franchise thereafter.The tone of each franchise changed a bit and important plot elements of each were no longer relevant. The part 3's were both okay, while the part 4's and 5's were kinda shitty.

Both 4th entries in each franchise were raped by producers. The original Terminator 4 script suffered from a zillion rewrites, while a trivia bit of Trancers 4 is: "Several budgetary problems occurred during filming, to which director David Nutter went on to say that they were resolved by simply tearing out various pages in the script." Neither film was made as originally intended.

The 5th entry of each (and 4th of Trancers) deal with deviations in the timeline and introduce the concept of alternate dimensions.

The 6th entry in each franchise is set in the 2020s and is all about girl power. As of now, there are no plans for any follow-ups to either franchise. I'd say these franchises are somewhat similar. emoticon


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Tommix says:
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Sep 2021
There must have been some cross-pollination between the two original movies, in 1984. Maybe the screenplay writers were drinking buddies or something. After that... I would have said that any similarities were probably concidental, but when you lay them all out like you just did, I don't know what to think. Of course, it is hard to imagine a massive blockbuster franchise like the Terminator movies taking much guidance from a MUCH lower tier film franchise like Trancers, which is what would have happened, of course, because most of the Trancers sequels came out in the 90s, before their corresponding Terminator franchise films.

So, to sum up: basically, my first two sentences in my first paragraph are as close as I can get to making a substantial contribution to this thread. Beyond that, I'm somewhere between agreeing with you and not knowing quite what to think.


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Box_a_Hair says:
#3, Reply to #1

Sep 2021
These franchises are indeed on two entirely different tiers. One is a blockbuster, one is mostly DTV. There seem to be no shared cast or crew between movies, so I'm lead to believe that all this mumbo jumbo is purely coincidental.

Of course, both being LA-centric, they probably did cross paths in some of the same social circles as neither James Cameron or Charles Band were prominent film directors at the point, so their pitches could have, as you said, cross pollinated at some point.


And if Legion 2010 has any parallels to Terminator, I may have to give it a watch. Funny enough, Skynet's replacement in T6 was named "Legion".


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Tommix says:
#4, Reply to #3

Sep 2021
Legion also has Doug Jones in it, for one memorable scene! He always cranks up the value of anything he appears in, IMHO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Jones_(actor)


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Tommix says:
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Sep 2021
The Paul Bettany and Dennis Quaid movie Legion (2010) is another movie that clearly has a lot of common ground with The Terminator. It also draws heavily on the Christopher Walken movie The Prophecy (1995), and possibly on a few seasons of the TV show Supernatural. It's basically like a Christian version of The Terminator, set in the context of a war amongst the angels. I kind of like what they did with the Jeep Hanson character, who was apparently supposed to be like Joseph in the Bible. I found myself thinking about that after seeing it, it was kind of cool to present a Joseph-like character as being so important for redeeming humanity.


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Tromafreak says:
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Sep 2021
I've heard of plans (or at least a desire) for another Terminator. At this point, wouldn't at all be surprised. However, I would be a bit surprised if there is ever another Trancers. Seems like that one ran its course and came back for more at least a couple times.


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Box_a_Hair says:
#6, Reply to #5

Sep 2021
I know there was talk of some animated Terminator series for netflix (who the fuck wants that?), but Trancers could be a lot of fun if Jack Deth were to come back. And I'm talking real Tim Thomerson Jack Deth and not some squid he's possessing.

It bothers me about Terminator and how all proposed sequels fall through because they anticipate great success and always fall short because they make these soulless formulaic entries. Trancers should be easy as hell to make a sequel to. It's a fucking FULL MOON movie. It probably costs them $5 to make.


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Tromafreak says:
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Sep 2021
If old man Schwarzenegger still gets to be Terminator, I guess the idea of old man Thomerson reprising his role isn't THAT unreasonable. Maybe a little to be fair, but I'd watch it... if it was on Tubi or something, which it probably would be. Terminator just needs to pick a path and stick to it. At this point, I'd recommend just ignoring everything after 3 (since we're doing that) and start over with a new Arnoldless trilogy taking place during the war and ending with Skynet's defeat. I don't see how anything else could make sense at this point. 4/5/6 can just be this harmless bizarro world trilogy.


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Box_a_Hair says:
#8, Reply to #7

Sep 2021
Honestly, I think the Terminator franchise fucked itself into a corner. As much as I love it and want to defend it, I really can't. At this point, they've proven that no matter who makes it, they'll miss the mark and probably go down the same tired path of rehashing T2 or telling a bland story like T4 and I really don't think anything they'll do at this point will revive it.

Trancers on the other hand? Never been "great" movies, especially considering most of them are DTV, so they could shit out a movie with Jack Deth in it and it would probably be watchable.



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