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May '23
I just wanted to mention an interesting story that I have been thinking about lately. (There are a couple of YouTube videos up of people reading it out loud, by the way). First published n 1941, it's about a scientist who creates artificial life, and accelerates its development until he has his own little artifical creatures who evolve to become intelligent, then eventually they become smarter than humans. As AI develops, I think about that story sometimes. In some ways it just helps me to imagine the dangers and problems that could arise from creating things that are more intelligent than we are, and which may or may not be essentially sympathetic to us. Had to share.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcosmic_God

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zed says:
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May '23
I have read that story a long time ago. I think Ive ead all/most of stugeons tales.
for me the 50s writers in sci-fi have a specfial part in my heart.

(going off memory) and this is what trips up most ppl, ppl will anthropomorphe most shit (which is this tale IIRC)
now this is a huge mistake
Im not talking to you tommix or anyone where, With AGI we are fucked.
How do we move forward? well thats a topic for another day


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Tommix says:
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May '23
I had three or four anthologies and collections of older science fiction, from the 30s thru the 50s, when I was a kid. I remember, for a while there, one of my favorite authors was a guy named Murray Leinster. I would try to talk about him and his stories, expecting everyone to know who he was. Of course, no one knew what the hell I was talking about.

Baby is Three is another classic Sturgeon story. I always liked that one a lot. Once in a while, some random thing in life reminds me of it, and I find myself thinking about it for a few days.

Wikipedia says Theodore Sturgeon was the inspiration for Vonnegut's Kilgore Trout! Well, the name, anyway. I don't think I ever knew that. If I did, I have completely forgotten knowing it.

I am scared about AI too. I worry about what could happen if it somehow seizes control of nanotechnology. It could do seriously horrifying things, things that would seem to be straight out of a horror movie, and most of us woudn't have a prayer of even fighting back, let alone surviving.


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May '23 *
"To a new world of gods and monsters!"
Meaning our soon to be AI overlords.


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Tommix says:
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May '23
VPIR, watch this video, about AI. I just wrote a little post about it to Box, further down in this thread, if you want to read it.

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Tommix says:
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May '23
Zed, check this video out. I just described it in a post to Box, further down in this thread. Start at about 7:30.

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zed says:
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May '23
You know when they use the dig as 'it sounds like it was recorded in his shed' as a means to belittle the creator.
In this case it literally was recorded in his shed, where no doubt hes hiding from the wife, actually thats the best case scenerio, maybe its the neighbours shed. Or just some rando shed he found.


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zed says:
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May '23
In saying that, what he saiz is essentially correct.
He gets more points for pointing out (and this trips up a lot of ppl) that AGI will mean the extinction of all life, be they plant & animal but ppl just focus on AGI killing off humans


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Box_a_Hair says:
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May '23
I see headlines about tech companies trying to put a hold on further AI research. They must have inadvertently created Skynet or something. We're all doomed.


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Tommix says:
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May '23 *
This video is one the things that made me think of Microcosmic God. This dude is a little like the Woody Harrelson character in 2012. He just makes videos of himself sitting with his little dog Sancho Panza, reading various horrifying news stories about loss of biodiversity, and also about climate change, overpopulation, pollution, the world running out of resources, etc. It can be depressing as hell, but at least he has a certain sense of humor... he makes it a little less nightmarish to think about that kind of topic. He almost makes it fun.

Anyway, if you start this video at about 7:30, and just watch for two or three minutes, you'll get the idea. The article he is reading compares AI to us making contact with an alien civilization that is millions of times more intelligent than we are, and which thinks and moves millions of times faster than we do. That's pretty much how the story Microcosmic God goes, at least by the end of it.

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