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Midnight Rant


Mar 2019
Things have been so shitty lately. I mean it. I just got back home after working 14 hours to realize how divided people are on TE, and this shit really upsets me! I've poured years of my life into this place, and all I can see is how many people have joined enthusiastically, only to leave with such bitter disdain.

I blame myself. Who else can I blame? I built this fucking place, as well as all of its shortcomings. I've tried to cater to everyone, but these things can't be divided in such a way that everyone feels compensated. There's always tangents that exponentially deviate in their own direction, and it ends up ruining what could have been a great thing. This usually involves users who have a set opinion that refuses to differ from another user, and all things go to hell because of it.

I've gotten reeeeaaally drunk for this rant, because there's so much to say, but all of it simply cannot be said. Every user here is their own person, and has an indefinite amount of input that can be injected. There are so many opinions here, but a lot of them never see eye to eye, even though this place was (well) crafted to be the ultimate site for imdb refugees after the demise of the message boards, but apparently, archived threads from the last 15 years worth of users has always taken precendence...

Honestly, I just don't know how things have gotten so out-of-hand. Back in (circa) 2009, I started to ponder how message board code worked. I used a localhost (a test server for webpages) to understand the inner workings of HTML and servers. It wasn't until 2013 that I began to understand how websites and web pages worked at an intimate level that I could build this fucking dump of b-movies and html finesse that decided to put "Trash Epics" into full online mode, but even that was frowned upon, and ultimately dismissed.

It wasn't until circa 2014, which was an entire FIVE years ago... that I was able to actually create this damn website, and show the world that I wasn't just some inanimate twat who didn't know how to do anything, that I could create this community of like-minded b-movie enthusiasts who could all get along and create an empire of crazy, ridiculous cinematic love affairs. It seemed to work there, for a while, until I realized how much a user's personal policitics could factor into the mental anguish of it all.

There I ran a site. Then, IMDb closed down, and I had a whole new opportunity to reel in the lost fish who hadn't sided with the bigger fish (imdb2, moviechat), and I did my best to recreate the imdb exprience with the TEDb, which failed right off the bat to lure the golden fish. It was a learning experience, but it didn't bring in the vast majority of users that I'd hoped for. Yes, users joined, and after a while, took offense to something and bailed... in favor of yet another lesser effort to recreate imdb's glory. But I sucked it up, and held my own, until politics fucking ruined everything.

This was circa 2016, when the presidential election was a big deal. I'd side with Trump, and yet so many users here would rag on me, insult me, and insist that I'm an oblivious fuck for siding with a businessman over a crazed woman. Yeah, I know this bit will get a lot of flack, but politics definitely affected TE in 2016 era. We lost a lot of users because of meaningless endorsements to a political party, and that was the first time that I realized how much of an impact my own stupid personal opinion could have. Yeah, I liked Trump. I've agreed with a LOT that he's done of the years, but I've lost sooooo many friends because of it, and for the love of me, I don't know why. I only saw it after the fact, and it sent me into a spiraling depression of loyalties and dismay.

Then, we were fine for a while. TE was doing okay at best, and then we were hit with another speed bump. PERSONAL bias. Personal user interactions weren't acceptable, and users started taking it out on each other. This, I believe, was the worst downfall of TE. The community couldn't keep it's shit together, and by that point, it didn't seem like a community at all, but rather collection of random opinions who vaguely liked the horror/trash subgenre. This, apparently, wouldn't do...


Lately, everything has been fucked. Friendships have turned to shit, and users are trying to split this camp up into multiple camps. I hate that. We were all supposed to be a team, but things went so south!

Now here, I just want to express how much I love everyone on this site. You all have meant the world to me. I've known a LOT of you for the past 15ish years, because YES, I've been on the IMDb horror board since 2005, so I fucking know you guys.

@der has been there with me since 2013, when I first contemplated Trash Epics. Don't anyone forget that! He was there with me since day 1, and he's my fucking brother-in-law, and I fucking love the guy. Sure, he acts like a major fucking dick sometimes, but he's always been one to come around to reason. He's a very rational being, and he truly believes in the power of trash. He's had nothing but praises, sunshine, and enthusiasm for me and everything that Trash Epics represents. I'm bummed out that not everyone sees that, probably because of his moody rants, but the guy is on the level, and he's reasonable. If he wasn't, how the hell would I deal with him for so long after all these years? Yeah, he was a troll, but weren't you at one point? I know I was. I often posted various topics about transvestites and suicide and all sorts of bullshit. Everyone wants to get ridiculous at some point.

Then, there's @Tromafreak, who all this beef started with. Me and him used to be like this *crosses fingers*. He taught me everything I know about shitty movies, and I'll never forget that. He knows his shit, and I really hope he and I can see eye-to-eye again at some point. Despite my rants, I really do like Tromafreak, and OnyxHades, who have been supportive of TE from the start. I'm sorry to Tromafreak if he thinks I've demeaned him with the mod thing, but it honestly just isn't a big deal at all. TE needs no moderation, and I yeah... maybe I wanted him to feel important, because he is important to me. As important as a shitty/awesome movie can be to a movie fanatic. The dude has influence my taste to the point that my favorite directors are his fucking favorite directors, and yet... him and I are now on bad terms, and that makes me feel like dirt. I fucking hate it, and I wish we could all see eye to eye like we used to.

@Onyx is also a genuine person who I've become very fond of, and this mess with tromafreak makes me feel that I've lost her as a friend, too, and that crushes me even more. I hate being at odds with some of my best two pals, but shit happens.

@ballz is my one of my best good friends, so I hope he never hates me. I've bee talking to this fucker for ages, and him and I have always been *dubbed burps*. I feel like I can tell this dude anything, and he wouldn't judge me.

@owl is one of my favorite people in the world, and I'm so glad that she decided to be a part of the TE experience. Also glad that @bambi is active on here.

Then, there's the regs who I always love to hear from. @znep, @sfpx, @tommix, @zed, @vincent, @foz, @gymno, @zombie, @markus, and even @yakko (I fucking love that guy). Then, there's @johan, who I also love, but I always feel that he kind of hates me for some reason.

Basically, I love everybody on here, and all of their contributions, despite what they may think of me. It just thrills me to my core that these guys use my garbage dump to talk about movies and whatever, and I really hope everybody here knows how much I appreciate them, even if there is drama between them. They're all good guys(gals), and I wish I could make them all happy here, but alas, it's something I've been failing at for years. No matter how hard I try to maintain the peace, people always tend to fall out, and put the blame on someone else.

I don't want to do that. I don't want to blame der, or tromafreak, or Trump, or anyone for the shortcomings of Trash Epics. I know there are various "sides" going around right now, and I don't want that. I really miss the comeradery we once had, and I really wish we could have that again, but I'm beginning to lose hope that anyone actually cares about maintaining these things. I really hope I'm wrong about this. All of this. I hope we can all get past our bullshit and make this place genuine again.

It's taken a lot out of me to write this. I've gotten pretty emotional at various points during this rant, because this is the only thing I've ever put my efforts into, and so many people have been so quick to dismiss it. My parents, my co-workers, and the few real-life friends I have. I just want people to believe in Trash Epics as much as I do.

Your pal,
Box a' Hair



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zed says:
#1

Mar 2019
I don't want to blame der, or tromafreak, or Trump

Blame Obama emoticon

Ppl just need to take a chill pill emoticon


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Snowy_Owl says:
#2

Mar 2019
From the moment I met you, I knew you were an amazing person, and someone I wanted in my life. And you never cease to amaze me. I know Iโ€™m not very active on the site, but that isnโ€™t because of the site. This site is fucking amazing, and you should be proud of what you have created. I have never been a person who wanted to be part of an online community, but when I saw this site, and I saw how everyone was, I wanted to join and be a part of the Trash Epics community!! So far I love everyone, and I am so happy I joined! @box this site is truly epic, and I am ecstatic to see the new stuff you continue to work on for this site! You are truly amazing!


Mar 2019
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Gymnopedie says:
#10, Reply to #3

Mar 2019
I wish you wouldn't leave, Johan. I know you have your issues with the site, but we are all trying to make it great. Box and Der have proving to be very accommodating. I think in circumstances like these the best thing to do is to talk, it clears up a lot of the issues. We would miss your knowledge. We just need to take a deep breath and dust ourselves, a lot of things were said in the heat of the moment. There is no reason why we cant put our differences aside for the spirit of comradery.


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Ballz says:
#4

Mar 2019 *
It seems like a lot of the most recent drama has been fueled by misunderstandings and overblown reactions, from both sides of the fence. Not to say some of those reactions are entirely unjustified or to place blame, but perhaps a little restraint should've been applied.

I too hope we can all move past this. I enjoy being here, and in this age of Facebook and Twitter, I think we have a pretty unique thing going on.

*dubbed burp*


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Gymnopedie says:
#5

Mar 2019
We have far more in common than that which divides us - our love in movies. It is a unfortunate set of circumstances, which brings us to where we are today. I don't have all the answers, but I appreciate everything you do.


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sfpx says:
#6

Mar 2019
Man, I don't know what to say. I hate that you feel so crappy about all this. For the record, I don't think any of it is your fault and you've done a great job at not only creating this place, but also being laid back as hell and trying to keep the peace. You could've been a tyrant, and yet, you never once were. That I observed, anyway. So i honestly believe you've done everything you could to the best of your ability. You aren't at fault for anything, really. You can't dictate or change the actions of others and you aren't responsible for it either.

You know, in a perfect world, we'd all be more tolerable of one another but unfortunately, it aint that way. There's been plenty of times I've seen things said on here that I didn't agree with and for the benefit of maintaining peace and keeping things casual and relaxed and not so serious, I either joked about it or just kept my thoughts to myself. The last thing I want when I come online is drama. I have enough difficulties and stress in real life, as we all do, this is supposed to be escapism, after all.

Anyway, no ill will from this guy. Just keep chuggin' along and hold your head up. You have nothing to feel bad about.


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peeptoad says:
#7

Mar 2019
Well, I sent you a message yesteday, Box, but I'll re-iterate some of it here.

This board is a very unique and worthwhile place on the internet. There aren't many boards (if any that I'm aware of) that are as different as this place is. And that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

Don't blame yourself for people not being able to get along though, Box. There is no blame to lay on any one individual for that. Not one individual is responsible unless every single solitary person on the planet is made responsible. It's all or nothing in that respect. That's one of the few areas (possibly the only) where I have a black and white mentality about human society, which is, in and of itself, rife with problems. The internet is just not a decent mode for communication between people, when there is any sort of volatility or emotion involved. Among other things all inflection and tone is more or less lost, which means about 50% of the "conversation" is lost as well. And it makes constructive convo really difficult to engage in and maintain.

Just my humble opinion that topics like religion and politics would be better left to facebook, twitter and the like or, at minimum, be relegated to an "off topic" section at least on boards where that stuff is not the main focus. Again, just my opinion; I'm not trying to tell anyone how to do anything. It works for me... doesn't mean it works for all. If people posting stepped back before hitting reply more often maybe the meltdowns wouldn't occur but who can say. The world we live in is a difficult place to exist at times and that seems to be accelerating as the years progress. No fault, no blame... just the way of the world whether virtual or actual reality.


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DerTables says:
#11, Reply to #7

Mar 2019
Ya another board I used to be on had what we called "Forum 52" and in you profile you had to enable access to it, op-in, and all contrevercial topics lay there, invisible to the rest of the site. May not be a bad idea here.


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foz says:
#13, Reply to #7

Mar 2019
peeps! been a minute, how you doing in this 40th anniversary year of one of the greatest ever horror movies?


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Gymnopedie says:
#14, Reply to #13

Mar 2019
Nice to see you around more, Fox. We missed you.


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peeptoad says:
#16, Reply to #13

Mar 2019 *
Hi foz! Hope you're well... I'm trying to recall what film you're referring to. emoticonemoticon


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markus-san says:
#17, Reply to #16

Mar 2019
Alien (1979) I am guessing.


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peeptoad says:
#18, Reply to #17

Mar 2019
I figured as much... was being sarcastic (which of course was lost due to interwebs)... ;)


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markus-san says:
#19, Reply to #18

Mar 2019
Yeah I didn't notice the emoticons when I read it, which kind of gave away you were being sarcastic emoticon.


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peeptoad says:
#20, Reply to #19

Mar 2019
emoticon


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foz says:
#23, Reply to #20

Mar 2019
heh, neither of us were so subtle. im good ta! emoticon


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#8

Mar 2019
Can't blame yourself Box, you've always been the one to mediate troubles here at Trash Epics. I've always said we have a nice tight knit community here and your hard work and effort is the reason so. I don't choose sides other than my side.
No worries ya doin great kid!emoticon


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Bambithedeer says:
#9

Mar 2019
Iโ€™m really glad weโ€™ve became close! Youโ€™ve showed me so many movies that I have never seen before and I ended up loving them! You helped me create a profile for your website and I was a little nervous about joining just bc I have different taste than a lot of people here, but you told me it was okay! Iโ€™m so glad I joined! Iโ€™ve been on your site everyday at least twice a day haha since I joined. Ever since we met and youโ€™ve showed me all of this youโ€™ve really impressed me! I know shits been going crazy this past weekend, and I really hope everything can calm down again and you can get your friends back. I know I would hate to lose such an amazing guy friend like you!!
Even if the site loses some people Iโ€™m sure we can find more people to fill the spots up! Iโ€™ve been talking about your site at work for the past week or so, and people are actually interested. They always ask what website Iโ€™m on and Iโ€™m proud to say my friend @Box. I do wish people would understand @Der a little bit better. Heโ€™s not a bad guy at all. Iโ€™m also extremely glad to call him a friend. Iโ€™m super proud of both of you for creating such a a badass website. Yโ€™all have given me confidence to actually post and comment on things, and even do this months challenge. None of this is your fault, and I really hope you can see that.
I appreciate everything you do on this site, and I appreciate you and @der as amazing friends in my life.
Iโ€™m super excited to see what new things youโ€™re going to create for this website!!!

Also- the ken soundboard never fails to make me laugh lol


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foz says:
#12

Mar 2019
don't blame yourself for things you cannot control. you've done an amazing job here, and im sad at how upset you are. things will get better, eventually.

i love this place for many reasons - the community, and vast knowledge of (mainly horror) movies shared here, ive found a few favourites thanks to people on this site. same goes with music & books. one of the other things i like a lot is the freedom of speech, sadly that seems to be also be the biggest downside for some.

it is what it is, as they say

cant stop keep rockin kid, as i say




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